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7 comments:
hmm disgusting and inhumane - but surely it couldn't happen to a nicer man!
Vanity Fair link? I'm not even going to bother going.
LEt's see US special forces UNDERGOES "Waterboarding" as part of their OWN training - no one actually drowns from the thing -- but a person might *think* they will and cough up all sorts of useful information, and then a few those people in LA don't die. Terrorists don't die, and neither does anyone else. As far as I can see it's okay by me!!
I'm all for pink panties on the head too. Sheesh. These terrorists don't suffer what 18 year old frat boys do, and Im' supposed to feel sorry for them? Hell no, the UN and other pansies can forget it. And 0ero can go to blazes, the sooner the better.
I really find it difficult to condone torture regardless of whether anyone "actually drowns" during interrogation. The act of inflicting pain on another human being, unless completely unavoidable, is utterly abhorent to me.
Besides, information given under torture is never 100% liable: if I were tortured I would confess to pretty much anything, whether I was guilty of a crime or not.
I'm with Augustine 100% on this one. Does the end justify the means? There are other areas where the church teaches that it doesn't: if embryonic stem cell research eventually leads to discovering cures for cancer, does that justify it?
The church's answer is no, and I think the same thing applies here, whether or not you think the people involved are guilty, and whether or not lives - and I know that could be my life! - might be saved.
Do you guys know how many were waterboarded? THREE. THREE. THREE. Precisely and only THREE. And it's not torture physically, it is for sure psychologically. It also saved a few thousand lives in LA.
If waterboarding is something U.S. troops are subjected to as part of their training, I don't think it can really be called "torture" in the traditional sense of boiling someone in oil.
Gem, morality is qualitative, not quantitative.
How in the hell are you going to extract vital information of more terrorist plots if you can't scare the crap out of them? Bush saved American citizens lives from being attacked by Muslim terrorists.
What is the better solution to waterboarding [which btw is legal]?
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